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SolidWorks Disses Apple Pie, the American Way, and Puppy Dogs!

Those low-down agitators at SolidWorks continue to go too far.

They issued a press release today, saying:

"Using SolidWorks and SolidWorks Simulation helped us [Vault Structures] design and test the door about 70 percent faster than if we'd used AutoCAD, saving $150,000 in reduced prototyping costs."

Ralph Grabowski, in his WorldCAD Access blog, set the record straight, in a post titled "SolidWorks Disses AutoCAD," where he said:

"Who designs bank vault doors with AutoCAD? The time and cost savings comparison should have been, of course, with Inventor."

Good for Ralph! We can't let those troublemakers at SolidWorks diss AutoCAD!

Except... it was actually a customer, not SolidWorks, who made the comparison -- apparently because they previously used AutoCAD for such projects. (Which answers Ralph's question: "who designs bank vault doors with AutoCAD?" Apparently at least one of the top five security device manufacturers in the world.)

Possibly, Ralph's point was that SolidWorks and Inventor are more comparable products than SolidWorks and AutoCAD. That is certainly true. Yet, Vault Structures had experience with AutoCAD -- so that is the comparison they made. For the millions of people who also have experience with AutoCAD, it's more useful than a comparison with Inventor.

I do think it would be interesting to see a fair comparison of cost and time savings between SolidWorks and Inventor. Yet, how could it be done? I actually have personal experience in such things, and can assure you that it's far harder to do than you might imagine.

Of course, I have a habit of overly complicating things:  More than likely, Ralph's only point was that you can get blog traffic with a provocative headline.

Hence, my headline.

Of course, you can also get blog traffic with keyword spamming. But, just like Siemens PLM (NX, Solid Edge, Teamcenter), Dassault Systèmes (SolidWorks, Catia, Enovia, Simulia), PTC (Pro/E, CoCreate), Bentley Systems (Microstation), Autodesk (AutoCAD, Inventor, Civil3D, Alias, Algor, DWG, Face Robot), Alibre, IronCAD, Kubotek, TurboCAD, and Ashlar, I would never do such a thing.

Posted on Monday, June 1, 2009 at 03:01PM by Registered CommenterEvan Yares in , , , , | Comments4 Comments

When agreements bite you in the...

Y'all know that I was at COFES (The Congress on the Future of Engineering Software) last weekend.

It's a thought-dense environment.  Bill Barnes, of Lattice, told me that, at times, he wanted to get away from the sessions and meetings, because his head was full.  Maybe I'm paraphrasing a bit (Bill's got a big head... I mean a big brain... I mean... he's a smart guy... why do I get myself in trouble like this?  Just go visit Lattice's website.  It's cool stuff.)

I should probably avoid my natural tendancy to go off on tangents (Did you see the youtube video of a bunch of CAD industry people doing a singalone to American Pie at COFES?)

In any event, one advantage of having a mind that tends to bounce around a bit is that I occasionally make interesting connections.  Here's one:

There was quite a bit of talk at COFES about the reality of the economy.  There aren't many rose-colored glasses among people in the engineering software industry.

I had a chance to talk to Buzz Kross, who runs Autodesk's mechanical products division.  One of the things he mentioned is that he's very focused on keeping his reseller channel healthy.  Good thing, in my book.  I don't think there are too many CAD resellers who are well-positioned to weather the downturn.

When Buzz said this, I thought of  how resellers are going to have to deal with customers that reduce their purchases, and worse: those who go bankrupt.

This thought made me remember something I'd read awhile back... in the Autodesk Software License Agreement.  (I just looked it up, to get the exact words):

9.1. No Assignment; Insolvency. You may not assign this Agreement or any rights hereunder (whether by purchase of stock or assets, merger, change of control, operation of law, or otherwise) and any purported assignment by You shall be void. The Agreement and the licenses granted hereunder shall terminate without further notice or action by Autodesk if You become bankrupt or insolvent, make an arrangement with Your creditors, or go into liquidation.

That's verbatim from the AutoCAD 2010 license agreement, but similar language regarding assignment and insolvency is in Autodesk software license agreements going back many years.

It occured to me... there's a possibility that GM will go bankrupt.  What effect might that have on their standing as an Autodesk customer?

There are a few possibilities:

  • GM uses products from companies such as Alias, that Autodesk has acquired.  Those will be subject to whatever license agreements were already in place.
  • GM may have negotiated special terms licensing terms with Autodesk.  But I wonder... would they have thought far enough ahead on the issues of assignment and insolvency to have negotiated those terms out?  And would Autodesk, which publicly has a "take it or leave it" attitude about its software license agreement, have been willing to give up those terms?
  • If GM did negotiate special license terms with Autodesk, does Autodesk deliver special software packages to them, which do not include the click-through license agreement? Autodesk's public position is that click-through agreements are legally binding.  Autodesk's click-through agreements all (to my knowledge) include an "entire agreement" clause, which would invalidate any pre-existing negotiated license agreement.

The bottom line is that it seems likely that most any company -- except possibly a few of Autodesk's biggest customers, is in a situation where, if they go bankrupt, or are acquired, they automatically lose their Autodesk software licenses.  Or, as the Business Software Alliance (of which Autodesk is a founding member) would say, they automatically become software pirates. Thieves.

As problematic as this might be for users, it might really bite Autodesk in the... (what word should I use here?)

If an Autodesk customer goes bankrupt, it is a matter of public record (at least, in the USA).  Therefore, Autodesk is aware of it.  And, as a consequence, Autodesk is aware that the customer is no longer a customer.  That is, their Autodesk software license agreements are terminated, and any use of Autodesk software is without license.

There is a well known legal doctrine called "laches."  It's based on the maxim that equity aids the vigilant and not those who procrastinate regarding their rights.  If Autodesk knows a company is using its software without a license, and fails to act in a timely fashion, they''re probably out of luck if they want to enforce that license later.

(This whole situation is rather ironic:  Autodesk claims its software is licensed, and not sold.  Yet, there are likely thousands of companies which use the software with no valid license, with Autodesk's acquiesence.)

Believe it or not, all of this stuff actually passed through my head as a result of Buzz making a casual remark about the economy and resellers.

While you might think it occurred to me to write this up in my blog, and call Autodesk bad names, my first thought was "this could be a real mess - for everyone." 

So, I told Buzz about it. (He didn't know about the offending clause in the license agreement -- but, to be fair, I doubt that anyone at Autodesk but the lawyers do know about it. It's pretty obscure stuff.)  And I suggested he might want to mention it to the Autodesk lawyers, and see if they could find a way to undo it.

What's the moral of the story?  Probably something about lawyers.  Or the law of unintended consequences.  Or the need to actually read agreements.

Posted on Tuesday, April 21, 2009 at 01:36PM by Registered CommenterEvan Yares in , , | Comments4 Comments